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but narrowly misses out on GB fine record
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7572962.stm |
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Jack Barnard told the BBC that he intended to appeal against the fine, which he said was higher than the income generated by the calls, |
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A fine is a de-centive that is to say that the fine should always be more than the revenue generated. What's the point of a fine otherwise!
![]() Perhaps on appeal they could double the fine.
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A fine is a de-centive that is to say that the fine should always be more than the revenue generated. What's the point of a fine otherwise! The problem is the 'fine' are regulatory fines and subject to the Communications Act 2003. They cannot exceed 10% of the revenue and are capped at £250,000. does that go someway towards explaining why the same companies are being fined time after time ![]() and complaints to PhonePayPus have been increasing by 40% year on year. |
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It's an encouragement for them to continue - since they STILL make money and the publicity does not seem to bother/harm them!
But then again this is just the tip of the iceberg. I'll get off my horse now!
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An odd case this though. Whether or not this fine exceeds the amount made during the scam (which PP+ claim to have halted after only a few days) it is certainly not a token amount (cf most PP+ fines).
So why do PP+ regard this particular fraud - where victims were only charged once and had to respond to the fraud to become a victim - as so much worse than completely unsolicited reverse charge text theft - where victims are charged many times (as part of a "subscription") and have made no contact whatsoever with the dishonest company? |
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Watchdog bares its gums
Watchdog bares its teethRegulator hands out £200,000 punitive fine for expensive callback scamThe Guardian, Saturday August 23 2008 Article historyA phone line that tricked people into calling a high-cost number has been shut by watchdog PhonepayPlus under its emergency procedures.
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That must be annual turnover surely - 10% of the income from the scam would mean the perpertrator keeping 90% of fraudulent earnings
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That must be annual turnover surely - 10% of the income from the scam would mean the perpertrator keeping 90% of fraudulent earnings http://www.opsi.gov.uk/ACTS/acts2003...20030021_en_11
Last edited by El Gringo; 24-August-2008 at 16:00. |
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The fine could be separate from any compensation claimed by consumer or awarded to the consumer by the regulator or through other Courts.
Although 10% seems low (especially those designing their business plans to exploit enforcement delays and weaknesses) I suspect that the fine is separate from any awards for repayment. In addition to fines or repayment we need to give consideration for compensation for the distress this causes. Particular examples are where pensioners living alone are charged for connections to expensive sex lines!!!! |
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The fine could be separate from any compensation claimed by consumer or awarded to the consumer by the regulator or through other Courts. If someone were caught leaving my home in the middle of the night with my 43" plasma TV (not that I have a plasma TV or that anyone would steal the TV I have got or that anyone would ever be caught if they did, but let's go with this example) he would be forced to hand back the TV, then he would be punished, then I could sue him for the distress caused to my family (probably not worth it because people who burgle houses tend not have have a great deal of money in the bank, but I could do this): Restitution, punishment, and compensation - three different things. In the wacky world of PRS, people who steal from or defraud their victims are allowed to keep the money, pay some of it as a fine, and (if ordered to) provide "refunds" to those victims who request refunds. |
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it's pretty clear to anyone, i.e. it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out why the scams continue - even when (if) caught the perpetrator is still financially better off after the crime,.
the idea that victims need to work out they have been scammed then work out how to get their money back is another problem,. there should be compulsory logging of all calls and money paid to the owner of the number - whether they request the money or not |
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another one
http://www.phonepayplus.org.uk/news/...r_20080919.asp Switchconnect Ltd has a lot of previous form when 070 were 'regulated' by Ofcom and PremTel Limited already has form with PhonepayPlus. |
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Couple of interesting postscripts to this story:
First of all the Mirror has followed it: Jack Barnard shut down over premium rate scam But for a real laugh, see Jack Barnard's pleadings of innocence here: 21st August 2008 |
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