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Old 20-February-2012, 19:09
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Old 28-February-2012, 16:43
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Home Phone Line Fraud - Not Possible??
16-02-2012

This is the first time I've ever posted on any MSE forum (although as my name suggests I do 'lurk' a lot) but I really need some help and advice please. My 86 year old mother who lives alone has somehow had her home phone line 'hacked' and has received a bill of £1,600+. All the calls were made to 09 sex line numbers in the early hours of the morning (usually between midnight and 4.00 am). There is no way that my mum made these calls, and no way that anyone else could have been in her house at that time of night. Her telephone provider (who I won't name at the moment) is investigating this as (in their words) a 'possible' fraud but is insistent that the calls were made from that line. They have asked BT to send an engineer to investigate, but I get the impression that they think this is a waste of time as he won't find anything. Has anyone else had any experience of this happening before and if so how was it resolved? Thanks
18-02-2012

Thanks everyone for your replies. My mum lives in local authority accommodation so perhaps she should report this to the council? Two of the numbers which are listed on the bill are:
09828736666
09059151234
24-02-2012

Hi everyone and thanks for your messages and support. There have been some developments which at the moment I can't say too much about on here, but thankfully things are looking more hopeful for my mum now. I will post further and update when I can.
Originally Posted by lady lurkalot
so 'lady lurkalot' is told there is an investigation and not to post details of the numbers etc in case it compromises the 'investigation'.

and this complaint appears today
http://whocallsme.com/Phone-Number.aspx/09828736666
09828736666

Olive
20 h 15 min ago
Repeated calls from this number.
and it appears this is one of the numbers on the bill.
http://whocallsme.com/Phone-Number.aspx/09828739995
09828739995
Roger
8 Jan 2011

This phone number appears on my bill and cost a fortune but I have no recollection of ringing it.
Caller: Don't know
[]
julesamber
17 Feb 2012

Just going thru the process of trying to sort out a talk talk bill for an 87 year old lady who has £1600.00 worth of calls to this adult chat line number from Oldbury, Birmingham. She hasn't made any of the calls, they were made from 10.30pm until approx 4am in the morning, she is at her wits end and has had her phone barred including her lifeline which she carries around her neck in case of a fall. Talk Talk have now lifted the bar on local numbers and are looking into this problem. If she dosen't pay or it's not sorted within 90 days she will receive a red bill then who knows where it will go from there, baillifs ???.
This shouldn't be allowed to happen in this day and age to an old lady. Has anyone in this area had any problems of a similar nature?
Caller: Talk Talk
http://www.phonepayplus.org.uk/Numbe...cn=09828739995
Check a Number - Result
PhonepayPlus has the following information about number :
09828739995

Customer care number: 0844 477 2997
Search result provided by: SQUARE1 COMMUNICATIONS LTD
Service connected on: 22 February 2012
Service terminated on: This service is still operating
Name of service: Babestation
Type of service: SQUARE1 COMMUNICATIONS LTD has not provided this information
Service description: SQUARE1 COMMUNICATIONS LTD has not provided this information
How much does this service cost? £1.53 per min
If you would like to find out more about this service or have a question about it then you should contact SQUARE1 COMMUNICATIONS LTD
WESSEX HOUSE
STATION ROAD
WILTSHIRE
BA133JN
it appears the Network/Police 'investigation' was nothing more than the same old con they have been peddling to the public since 1995.

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Old 28-February-2012, 21:42
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OK a lot of these Square1 Communications complaints appear to be from TalkTalk customers

paranoia?

this whois record is not important in its self except an original PhonepayPlus adjudication was cut and pasted there.
http://whocallsme.com/Phone-Number.aspx/09828731111
Phonepay Plus Regulator
27 Apr 2011
http://www.phonepayplus.org.uk/Numbe...cn=09828731111

Check A Number - Result
PhonepayPlus has the following information about the number 09828731111.
Square 1 Communications Ltd
fixed line hacked / mobile virus / app ?
3 May 2011

Service Provider Square1 Communications Limited, Westbury
Information Provider Amanda Allen (sole trader), UK
Service Title and Type Adult recorded fantasy stories - Sexual entertainment service
Breaches upheld against Amanda Allen (sole trader), UK
Procedure Standard
Case reference: 853750
Summary
The PhonepayPlus Executive was contacted on the 23 December 2010 by a Network Operator concerned about the high volume of calls and the content of a service operated by an Information Provider known as Amanda Allen on the premium rate number 09097990821. The service that was provided on this particular number was a sexual entertainment service, providing recorded fantasy ‘Age Play’ stories for consumers to access.
The Executive monitored the service and promotional material for the service, including the websites ‘amandom.com’ and ‘teasingteens18.co.uk’. It established that the ‘Age Play’ service was operating on numerous premium rate telephone numbers. The Executive monitored several of these numbers and was concerned that the recorded fantasy stories consistently contained content that strongly implied the involvement of persons under 18 years of age. It was also concerned that other types of service were being promoted with inadequate or no pricing information and/or contact information.
The service operated on the ‘098’ and ‘0909’ number ranges, which have been designated by Ofcom for sexual entertainment services.
The Executive alleged that the services contravened the PhonepayPlus Code of Practice (11th Edition, Amended April 2008) (‘the Code’) and raised the following potential breaches of the Code:
Paragraph 5.7.1 - Pricing information (Cost)
Paragraph 5.7.2 - Pricing (Prominence)
Paragraph 5.8 - Contact information
Paragraph 7.11.2 - Sexual entertainment services
Paragraph 7.11.5 a-c - Sexual entertainment services (Message)
The Tribunal upheld the breaches raised. The overall revenue generated by the services in breach was found to be within Band 5 (£5,000- £50,000). The Tribunal considered the breaches to be serious, issued a Formal Reprimand and imposed a fine of £20,000.
that's what the PhonepayPlus adjudication originally stated. It referred to the 'high volume' of calls.
I commented about it at the time.
http://www.the-scream.co.uk/forums/s...63&postcount=4

but now the adjudication as it appears on the PhonepayPlus web site only refers to the content.
31 March 2011
Information provider Amanda Allen
Service provider Square1 Communications Limited
Information provider location UK
Service provider location Westbury
Telephone network Opal Telecom Limited
Service type Sexual Entertainment Services
Cost £1 or £1.50 per minute
Number of complaints 0
Source of complaint Network Operator
Fine 20000
Sanction A Formal Reprimand
31 March 2011
Information provider Amanda Allen
Service provider Square1 Communications Limited
Information provider location UK
Service provider location Westbury
Service type Sexual Entertainment Services
Adjudication Details
CASE REFERENCE: 853750

THIS CASE WAS BROUGHT AGAINST THE SERVICE PROVIDER

UNDER PARAGRAPH 8.5 OF THE CODE

BACKGROUND
The PhonepayPlus Executive was contacted on the 23 December 2010 by a Network Operator concerned about the content of a service operated by an Information Provider known as Amanda Allen on the premium rate number 09097990821. The service that was provided on this particular number was a sexual entertainment service, providing recorded fantasy ‘Age Play’ stories for consumers to access.

The Executive monitored the service and promotional material for the service, including the websites ‘amandom.com’ and ‘teasingteens18.co.uk’. It established that the service was operating on numerous premium rate telephone numbers. The Executive monitored several of these numbers and was concerned that the recorded fantasy stories consistently contained content that strongly implied the involvement of persons under 18 years of age. The Executive also observed that other promotions did not fully comply with the requirements of the Code with regard to pricing and/or contact information.

The service operated on the ‘098’ and ‘0909’ number ranges, which have been designated by Ofcom for sexual entertainment services.

The Service

The website ‘amandom.com’ was the homepage for the service and could be accessed by a link on ‘teasingteens18.co.uk’. It provided specific premium rate numbers to call for the ‘Age Play’ category of the service and others.

The Service Provider had allocated this Information Provider a total of 2,668 premium rate ‘0909’ and ‘098’ numbers to provide its service(s). The recorded content for the premium rate numbers providing the ‘Age Play’ category of service was loaded ‘remotely’ by the Information Provider during the first week of November 2010.

The Investigation

The Executive conducted this matter as a Standard Procedure investigation in accordance with paragraph 8.5 of the Code. The Executive issued a breach letter to the Service Provider dated 10 March 2011. The Service Provider responded to the breaches in a letter dated 22 March 2011.

The Tribunal made a decision on the breaches raised by the Executive on 31 March 2011 following an Informal Representation by the Service Provider.

SUBMISSIONS AND CONCLUSIONS

ALLEGED BREACH ONE

PRICING INFORMATION (COST) (Paragraph 5.7.1)

‘Service providers must ensure that all users of premium rate services are fully informed, clearly and straightforwardly, of the cost of using a service prior to incurring any charge’.

1. The Executive submitted that the ‘adult recorded fantasy stories’ service was promoted on two websites, one of which was ‘teasingteens18.co.uk’. The Executive submitted that the promotion on this website had not provided any pricing information in relation to the premium rate numbers used to access the service.

2. The Service Provider accepted that the pricing on the website had been totally inadequate and had not conformed to the guidelines stipulated within the Code.

It stated that it had not been aware of the ‘teasingteens18.co.uk’ website until it had been notified of this complaint by the Executive. In mitigation, it stated that the Information Provider’s consistent efforts to stay within the pricing guidelines on other websites caused it to believe that this had not been an attempt to deliberately mislead visitors to the website, but rather a reflection of rather haphazard working methods.

3. The Tribunal considered the evidence, including the Service Provider’s acceptance of the breach, and concluded that the ‘teasingteens18.co.uk’ website had failed to provide pricing information in relation to the premium rate numbers and, as such, consumers were not fully informed of the cost of using the service. The Tribunal upheld a breach of paragraph 5.7.1 of the Code.



Decision: UPHELD



ALLEGED BREACH TWO

PRICING (PROMINENCE) (Paragraph 5.7.2)

‘Written pricing information must be easily legible, prominent, horizontal and presented in a way that does not require close examination. Spoken pricing information must be easily audible and discernible’.



1. The Executive observed that the ‘adult recorded fantasy stories’ service was promoted on the ‘amandom.co.uk’ website, which contained numerous ‘09090’ and ‘09097’ prefixed numbers at price points of £1 and £1.50 per minute.

It further observed that the promotions on the right-hand side of the webpage, for premium rate numbers beginning with the 0909 prefix, contained pricing information which was both prominent and which was provided directly below the promoted numbers. However, the premium rate numbers beginning with the ‘09097’ prefix, which were prominently promoted on the left-hand side of the ‘amandom.co.uk’ website, did not contain any pricing information.

The Executive submitted that consumers could only be suitably informed of the cost of dialling these ‘09097’ premium rate numbers by scrolling (unprompted) to the bottom of the webpage where the information ‘09097 £1.5 per minute’ was displayed in small black print. The Executive submitted that having to scroll to the bottom of the webpage to be informed of pricing information did not satisfactorily meet the requirements of providing prominent pricing information.



2. The Service Provider accepted that the pricing information in relation to the ‘09097’ numbers was not included by the description of the service and the phone number, but required viewers to scroll to the bottom of the webpage. However, in light of the fact that pricing information had been clearly visible in relation to the ‘09090’ numbers, it did not believe that the Information Provider had deliberately tried to conceal this information for the 09097 services.

3. The Tribunal considered the evidence, including the Service Provider’s acceptance of the breach, and concluded that consumers would have had to scroll to the bottom of the website in order to establish the cost of the ‘09097’ numbers priced at £1.50 a minute. Furthermore, the size of the text had contributed to the failure to provide pricing information that was easily legible and prominent. The Tribunal upheld a breach of paragraph 5.7.2 of the Code.

Decision: UPHELD

ALLEGED BREACH THREE

CONTACT INFORMATION (Paragraph 5.8)

‘For any promotion, the identity and contact details in the UK of either the service provider or information provider, where not otherwise obvious, must be clearly stated. The customer service phone number required in paragraph 3.3.5 must also be clearly stated unless reasonable steps have previously been taken to bring it to the attention of the user or it is otherwise obvious and easily available to the user’.

1. The Executive made reference to its monitoring of the websites which promoted the ‘adult recorded fantasy stories’. It submitted that the ‘amandom.co.uk’ website had failed to provide the identity of either the Service Provider or the Information Provider and had also failed to provide a customer service phone number.

Furthermore the ‘teasingteens18.co.uk’ website had failed to provide the identity of either the Service Provider or the Information Provider, provider contact details or a customer service phone number.



2. The Service Provider accepted that there was no information regarding the identity and contact details of the Service Provider or Information Provider on either of the websites. It stated that Amanda Allen had been utilising numbers from more than one Network Operator and Service Provider on her websites and had subsequently listed Square1 Communications as her Service Provider across the website. It stated that it had terminated all services on all numbers allocated to the Information Provider and requested the Information Provider to remove all references to it from these websites.

3. The Tribunal considered the evidence, including the Service Provider’s acceptance of the breach, and concluded that the websites ‘amandom.co.uk’ and ‘teasingteens18.co.uk’ had failed to provide the identity of either the Service Provider or Information Provider and had failed to provide a customer service number. The Tribunal upheld a breach of paragraph 5.8 of the Code.

Decision: UPHELD

ALLEGED BREACH FOUR

SEXUAL ENTERTAINMENT SERVICES (Paragraph 7.11.2)

‘Sexual entertainment services, and promotions for them, must not contain references which suggest or imply the involvement of persons under 18 years of age’.

1. The Executive made reference to its monitoring of seven of the ‘Age Play’ recorded fantasy stories. It submitted that all seven of these recorded calls had contained strong and consistent references suggesting and implying the involvement of persons under 18 years of age in a sexual context.

The Executive made reference to several examples of the subject matter of these calls which all included sexual references to children under the age of 18. One recorded message depicted a father/daughter relationship, where the father puts the daughter to bed, which, it was submitted, turned quickly to a child abuse story. It included the following passage:

‘...Now you know what you have got to do darling, do you want daddy to tell you a story? Yes daddy. Well what have you got to do? She stood up, walked across to her bedroom door and closed it, turning the key. She lifted her nightie over her head and stood there. And? Yes daddy, she pulled her knickers down and stood naked in front of him. It had taken months to train her and then he sat on the side of the bed and unzipped his pants and pulled out his cock...’

The Executive submitted that, even thought the content was described in the service as being ‘fantasy role play’ and that all female participants in the scenarios were said to be over the age of 18, the Code was clear that sexual entertainment services and associated promotions must not contain references which suggest or imply the involvement of persons under 18 years of age.

2. The Service Provider stated that at no point had it been aware of the nature of the ‘Age Play’ material that the Information Provider had started to load onto its lines from November 2010 and that, if it had been asked to ‘vet’ the recordings, it would have either immediately sought the advice of PhonepayPlus, or rejected the material as being unsuitable and open to misinterpretation. It stated that, had it become aware of this content during its routine content checks, it would have removed it until such time as advice had been provided.

The Service Provider stated that it had carefully evaluated the response of the Information Provider that these services were ‘fantasy scenarios’ that deal with consenting adults indulging in ‘role-play’, but considered that, as the Code made specific reference outlawing the implied involvement of persons under the age of 18, premium rate services were not a suitable media for the publication of these services due to the possibility of misinterpretation.

3. The Tribunal considered the evidence, including the Service Provider’s acceptance of the breach, and concluded that the recorded stories monitored by the Executive had clearly suggested and implied the involvement of persons under 18 years of age and, as such, were in contravention of the Code. The Tribunal upheld a breach of paragraph 7.11.2 of the Code.

Decision: UPHELD

ALLEGED BREACH FIVE

SEXUAL ENTERTAINMENT SERVICES (MESSAGE) (Paragraph 7.11.5)

‘Save where the relevant network operator has provided an alternative solution acceptable to PhonepayPlus, all sexual entertainment services must provide a message at the beginning of the service stating that:

a the user must be over the age of 18,

b the user should be either the bill-payer or have the bill-payer’s permission to call the service,

c service details may appear on the phone bill’.

1. The Executive made reference to its monitoring of seven of the ‘Age Play’ recorded fantasy stories. It submitted that, of these seven recorded calls, only one contained all the correct information. It submitted that three had failed to provide any of the information required under this paragraph of the Code and three had not stated that service details may appear on the phone bill, providing only the information required by sub-paragraphs (a) and (b).

2. The Service Provider accepted that the introductory words of some the recordings had not contained the elements required or all of the mandatory warnings.

3. The Tribunal considered the evidence, including the Service Provider’s acceptance of the breach, and concluded that the majority of the numbers monitored by the Executive had failed to provide either some or all of the notifications required under sections (a)-(c) of paragraph 7.11.5 of the Code. The Tribunal upheld a breach of this paragraph of the Code.

SANCTIONS
The Tribunal’s initial assessment was that, overall, the breaches taken together were very serious.

In determining the sanctions appropriate for the case, the Tribunal took into account the following aggravating factors:

The Service Provider’s monitoring of the Information Provider was negligent, having regard to the changing circumstance of the Information Provider and its demonstrated attitude to compliance.
There was some potential societal harm, having regard to the nature of the content of the service recordings.
The cost of the service to individuals was high, calls cost up to £15.
The Tribunal took into account the following mitigating factors:

The Service Provider was as co-operative as it could have been with the Executive.
The Service Provider was misled into its lack of effective monitoring by the absence of consumer complaints regarding the services provided by this Information Provider over the preceding six years and its apparent compliance, when last monitored by the Service Provider in or around August 2010.
The revenue in relation to this service was in the range of Band 5 (£5,000-£50,000).

The Tribunal found that the revenue in relation to the most serious of the breaches, that of paragraph 7.11.2, was in the low range of Band 6 (£1-£5,000). The revenue attributed to the aspects of the service found to be otherwise in breach was in the range of Band 5 (£5,000-£50,000).

Having taken into account the aggravating and mitigating factors, and the fact that the breach had been brought to the attention of the Service Provider at an early stage, minimising the impact of the breach, societal harm and the associated service revenue, it concluded that the seriousness of the case should be regarded overall as serious.

Having regard to all the circumstances of the case, including the revenue of the service, the Tribunal decided to impose the following sanctions:

A Formal Reprimand;
A fine of £20,000.
and Opal Telecom
http://www.talktalkbusiness.co.uk/ab...l-is-evolving/
On February 1st, Opal became TalkTalk Business. This is good news for us, our customers and their customers. We will be able to offer everyone more without sacrificing the specialist, business grade service we provide today. Customers will continue to benefit from our business grade products delivered with the same great service carried out from our UK based call centres for your convenience.

and hacking is a criminal offence therefore outside Phonepayplus remit and the size of the individual bills were compliant with their Code of Practice.

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Old 28-February-2012, 21:48
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???

from the list of barred SP's

AMANDA’S
2001 to Indefinite*
PO BOX 16, SWINTON, MANCHESTER, M27 5AA NOT AVAILABLE

whois amandom.com
http://www.coolwhois.com/d/amandom.com

who is that? Amanda Allen?
( http://www.the-scream.co.uk/forums/s...63&postcount=4 )

and...
The Executive monitored the service and promotional material for the service, including the websites ‘amandom.com’ and ‘teasingteens18.co.uk’
http://www.coolwhois.com/d/teasingteens18.co.uk

"Harry Nixon" is this a real name? If not, why is it also used by some russian porn webmasters?
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Old 29-February-2012, 13:34
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25 April 2005
Service provider Square1 Communications
Telephone network Opal Telecom Limited

31 March 2006
Service provider Square1 Communications
Telephone network Coulomb Limited

17 July 2006
Service provider Square1 Communications
Telephone network Opal Telecom Limited

30 August 2006
Service provider Square1 Communications
Telephone network Opal Telecom Limited

30 August 2006
Service provider Square1 Communications
Telephone network Opal Telecom Limited

16 January 2007
Service provider Square1 Communications
Telephone network Opal Telecom Limited

16 January 2007
Service provider Square1 Communications
Telephone network Eckoh Technologies

19 March 2007
Service provider Square1 Communications
Telephone network Opal

02 April 2007
Service provider Square1 Communications
Telephone network Opal Telecom Limited

20 December 2007
Service provider Square1 Communications
Telephone network Opal Telecom Limited
various 09* premium rate numbers allocated by Ofcom to the Network operator(Opal).....so Opal(TalkTalk) supplies the premium rate lines to Square1 Communications.

and Square1 09* numbers 'adult chat' are mysteriously appearing on how many TalkTalk customers bills

http://whocallsme.com/Phone-Number.aspx/09828739994

http://whocallsme.com/Phone-Number.aspx/09828739995
http://www.talktalkmembers.com/forum...p/t-66288.html

Square1 - FAQs
square1communications.net/faqs.aspA: Square1 Communications is a profitable company, run by honest, up front, hardworking people. Our own network provider is Opal Telecommunications ...
http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&ct=clnk&gl=uk
It is a snapshot of the page as it appeared on 23 Jan 2012 10:14:52 GMT.

Q: When will I get paid?

A: All revenues are paid 35 days after month end. For instance, revenues from traffic generated in January are paid on the 5th working day of March. We provide a revenue statement for the January traffic on the 10th working day of February and ask that you then invoice us the stated amount before month end.

Q: How do I know I will get paid?

A: Square1 Communications is a profitable company, run by honest, up front, hardworking people. Our own network provider is Opal Telecommunications Limited, which is part of The Carphone Warehouse group. While this does not guarantee you payment, it at least provides peace of mind that your revenues sit with solvent, reputable organisations.
but three numbers on the bill all belong to Oxygen8
09828736666
09059151234
and
09828739995

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ok so from the strange PhonepayPlus adjudication
31 March 2011
Information provider Amanda Allen
Service provider Square1 Communications Limited
Information provider location UK
Service provider location Westbury
Telephone network Opal Telecom Limited
Service type Sexual Entertainment Services
Cost £1 or £1.50 per minute
Number of complaints 0
Source of complaint Network Operator
Fine 20000
Sanction A Formal Reprimand

The PhonepayPlus Executive was contacted on the 23 December 2010 by a Network Operator concerned about the high volume of calls and the content of a service operated by an Information Provider known as Amanda Allen on the premium rate number 09097990821.
Opal number allocated number to Square1 and their Information Provider was Amanda Allen.

so are Datapro Services Limited the Information Provider for Square1 (The following 'connected' date means nothing).
Check a Number - Result
PhonepayPlus has the following information about number :
09097990821

Customer care number: 0844 248 8738
Search result provided by: Datapro Services Limited
Service connected on: 22 September 2011
Service terminated on: This service is still operating
Name of service: Datapro Services Limited - 0844 248 8738
Type of service: Datapro Services Limited has not provided this information
Service description: Datapro Services Limited has not provided this information
How much does this service cost? Datapro Services Limited has not provided this information
If you would like to find out more about this service or have a question about it then you should contact Datapro Services Limited
2 High Street
Grays
RM17 6LU
2010 London Networks being hacked, Phonepayplus knew in 2005
http://www.the-scream.co.uk/forums/t30060.html?
28 October 2005
Information provider N/A
Service provider Datapro Services
Information provider location N/A
Service provider location Grays, Essex
Telephone network Opera Telecom Limited(aka Oxygen8)
Service type Adult entertainment
Cost £1.50 per minute
Number of complaints 4
Source of complaint Public, Intra-industry

Adjudication Details

The Secretariat was advised by a phone network of complaints from customers that calls were being made to premium rate numbers without their knowledge or consent. The network suspected fraudulent activity after observing that call patterns for the service were unusual, especially in the West London area, with some of the call durations in excess of 20 minutes.

Complaints were also received from members of the public who supplied copies of phone bills showing that calls had lasted over 20 minutes.
The public still complain to PhonepayPlus about 09 numbers mysteriously appearing on fixed line bills but they are not investigate or acted on because the crooks now keep the calls to a 'compliant' 20 minute or less duration

Datapro is a very interesting company but it might be best to comment on it here
http://www.the-scream.co.uk/forums/s...610#post240610

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