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Old 26-August-2008, 17:59
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Evening all.

Just read the below and was kinda scared by it, what's wrong with two consenting adult even looking at BDSM / bondage type stuff on the internet nowadays ?



Page last updated at 15:56 GMT, Tuesday, 29 April 2008 16:56 UK
A bill outlawing the possession of "extreme pornography" is set to become law next week. But many fear it has been rushed through and will criminalise innocent people with a harmless taste for unconventional sex.

Five years ago Jane Longhurst, a teacher from Brighton, was murdered. It later emerged her killer had been compulsively accessing websites such as Club Dead and Rape Action, which contained images of women being abused and violated.

When Graham Coutts was jailed for life Jane Longhurst's mother, Liz, began a campaign to ban the possession of such images.


Supported by her local MP, Martin Salter, she found a listening ear in then home secretary, David Blunkett, who agreed to introduce legislation to ban the possession of "violent and extreme pornography".

This was eventually included in the Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill, which gets its final reading this week and will get Royal Assent on 8 May.

Until now pornographers, rather than consumers, have needed to operate within the confines of the 1959 Obscene Publications Act (OPA). While this law will remain, the new act is designed to reflect the realities of the internet age, when pornographic images may be hosted on websites outside the UK.

Under the new rules, criminal responsibility shifts from the producer - who is responsible under the OPA - to the consumer.

But campaigners say the new law risks criminalising thousands of people who use violent pornographic images as part of consensual sexual relationships.


Full article here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7364475.stm

Kinda scary eh?
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Old 26-August-2008, 18:31
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All this is stuff and nonsense designed to take our minds of the real problem that our streets are unsafe and the Government have done nothing effective to ensure citizens are adequately protected against mugging or knife attacks.

Why not make it illegal to go into a pub to have a beer?

People who have visited pubs and had a beer have been known to go home and injure or kill someone.
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Old 28-August-2008, 16:59
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All this is stuff and nonsense designed to take our minds of the real problem that our streets are unsafe and the Government have done nothing effective to ensure citizens are adequately protected against mugging or knife attacks.

Why not make it illegal to go into a pub to have a beer?

People who have visited pubs and had a beer have been known to go home and injure or kill someone.
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We fully agree, but........... what happens if you do look at this kinda stuff online? Can you get tracked and prosecuted, and NO, we don't mean looking at Gary Glitter totally sick fukc type material either....

Is it as risky as P2P filesharing (like using uTorrent), where people will continue downloading & sharing until they get a warning letter from their ISP / Hollywood ?

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Old 30-August-2008, 11:51
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Whether one agrees with the law or not if the law comes into force it would be unwise to download such material particularly if using a pay site.

What happens to such items you already have on the computer? It is almost possible to delete such images from your hard drive as the expert forensic people will always be able to recover them.

It could therefore be argued that it is immensely unfair to have a retrospective law affecting images that may or may not be pornographic within the definition of this legislation.

The question of the use to which such images are put is another matter. Surely it is an infringement of liberty and freedom to define what images consenting adults may hold of themselves or friends on their computers.

Hopefully if these issues are taken to Court their will be Civl Liberties appeals and maybe European Courts will take a more liberal view.....

What exactly is "violent and extreme pornography". Unfortunately neither myself or my school friends have images of the severe bruising and weals caused by school canings (victims proudly displayed their marks to classmates after punishment) The brutes who inflicted these punishments have never had to account for their actions so all one could could provide as evidence are images from the web of those who have consensually accepted similar levels of punishment.

Perhaps those who support this legislation are the same people who support the restoration of corporal punishment in schools!!!!!

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Old 30-August-2008, 18:49
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Thanks.

We don't download anything and certainly don't pay to join sites, we merely browse free pictures from certain non-mainstream sites. They can't make that an offense?

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Old 30-August-2008, 20:38
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There is no simple answer to the images in the link forwarded to me in a PM from Mega. What you have to do is put yourself in the minds of a jury who will listen to prosecution and defence and make up their minds having regard to their religious beliefs, the awareness of the true causes of and the extent of all violence in our society (whether it be sexual or otherwise) and whether they respect the freedoms of gay and lesbian communities.

There is a very informative article on Spiked - Kneejerking over violent porn

This extract seems quite relevant:-

The authorities have lost the argument about everyday porn

The document also blurs the distinction between depictions of violent acts and real violent acts. It proposes criminalising possession of both 'explicit actual scenes' of violence and 'realistic depictions…which appear to be real and are convincing, but which may be acted' (4). I'm no expert on violent porn (but then again, neither are the authors of this report) but I would hazard a guess that most of this stuff is made by consenting adults, for cash, who are only pretending to do nasty things to each other. Yet this document lumps together acted-out rapes with real rapes, as if it's easy to download a video of woman being raped for real from the internet. Again, little evidence is presented that actual, criminal rapes are widely available, or even available at all, on the world wide web. What next: a consultation document on outlawing snuff movies?

The authors tie themselves in knots over what will be allowed and what won't be. So it will still be okay to possess images of 'milder forms of bondage and humiliation, which are common place in pornographic material', so long as you don't cross the line into imagery that 'depicts suffering, pain, torture and degradation of a kind which we believe most people would find abhorrent'. Who will decide when that line has been crossed? Will acts of bondage have to be re-enacted in a court of law, so that a jury or judge can decide if it's only 'mild humiliation' or something more 'abhorrent'? (Insert joke about judges and bondage here.) The document proposes that only possession of photographs or videos should be criminalised, so it will be all right to possess text or cartoons that describe or depict violent sexual scenarios. Yet if the authorities truly believe that extreme pornographic material can provoke extreme acts of violence, why should we be free to read about this stuff but not look at people acting it out?

It isn't especially surprising that the document reveals little about the availability or impact of violent porn, and that it gets confused about how to define it - because violent porn isn't really the issue. Rather, this is a highly politicised attempt by government officials to score some moral points. One reason why they have chosen to do that by launching a war against the extreme fringes of the porn world is because they have lost the argument about everyday porn. There was a time when governments railed against pornography, banging on about how it cheapened sexual relations, demeaned women, and posed a threat to family values and morality in general. But today, porn has gone mainstream: art institutions like the ICA host debates about porn; Hollywood has glamourised porn in movies like Boogie Nights, Wonderland and The People Vs Larry Flynt; the once-stuffy BBFC now passes, uncut, films that show explicit sex; teenagers wear t-shirts that say 'Porn star in training', and can even buy Playboy pencil cases and stationery from WH Smith's (5).
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I have just been banned for sending porn through the post!!!!!

Yes I forwarded an amusing email to my friends with a title something along the lines of a "gorgeous blond seeks love and affection". It had a photo attachment.

The photo was an advertisement from a charity seeking a home for dog and the image was that of a beautiful golden retriever.

File deleted without opening and all future email messages blocked. Accused of sending pornography !!!!!!!!!

Told friend that I respected his somewhat extreme Christian beliefs and he should respect mine too - that in no way would I send him pornography.

Might there be a religious quote covering this situation?

The problem would be if this person were serving on a jury imposed with the task of determining what was pornography - i.e. images that would could offence to the majority of the population when in fact that a substantial proportion of the population are on the internet looking at adult images!!!!!!!

Returning to the issue of violence I have in the interests of research visited a Second Life site that has rooms where rape and violence takes place between consensual adults. To me although it has unpleasant undertones and somewhat amusing to see avatars having penises the size of that of a horse! The activities take place in a mature area and any children who were visiting the area would by lying about their age and in my view the responsibility for them being there would be the lack of proper control or training by their parents in the moralty of being truthful.

To me the violence had no more significance than that of a "Punch and Judy" show. To the participants it is indeed role play into being violent and submitting to violence but again I do not consider the activity to be abusive if it is role play between consenting adults.

If these role players choose to photograph their computer generated avatars involved in such activites would those still life images contravene this Act?

There are computer scripts generated by poseballs that enable two consensual adults to participate in a rape scene and members of Second Life can purchase such poseballs for use within the simulator.

Would possession of such poseballs constitute an offence under this legislation?

Would using poseballs belonging to someone else and having a video of your avatar raping or being raped in a computer generated world constitute an offence under this legislation?

I find real life violence pornographic - that of the killing and maiming of kids in knife or gun crimes or uncontrolled rage leading to violence in all situations. I would like to see controls focussed to limit the promotion of games and videos depicting excessive violence but only if there is full information supporting my gut feeling that our real life relationships are affected by what we see on screen fantasy.

Personally I would find still images or videos of loving sex between two consenting adult men more disturbing than simulated rape scenes but I guess you can find anything on the internet if you look hard enough.

Wonder what extremist Christians make of all this!!!

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An ex friend I would think now !
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Computeractive have covered this very subject in the current issue (275).

Firstly, the material must be produced solely for the purpose of sexual arousal.

Secondly, the material must provide a realistic depiction of one of four acts; activity that could endanger a persons life, result in serious injury - particularly to sexual organs, depict interference with a corpse,or a sexual act with an animal.

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Thanks IchyRich - will see if I can get a copy of Computeractive.

Maybe the protests from fetish groups have resulted in these apparantly more sensible and rational requirements.

Damn no more videos from security cameras of certain shepherds at work

An ex friend I would think now !
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Not at all !!! Although we are not religious we are concerned for him and his family. He loves and cares for a severely disabled daughter and he and his wife have devoted a lifetime of care to her.

His strength to care for her is based on his religion. He is always ready to "Praise the Lord" when this bedridden woman of thirty recovers from another situation where life might have been extinguished.

The poor girl has been sustained by a sequence of operations which are ongoing together with expensive drug treatments. She is vegetable like and unresponsive except in their eyes. Fed by tubes she needs a team of support workers in addition to the family.

If she had been born in this condition I would have been firmly of the view that the baby should not have been kept alive. However the condition developed a few years into life and so they had grown to love a normal child.

Is it really "Praise the Lord" or should it be thankyou to the medical and caring teams and the taxpayers considering this quality of life should be sustained regardless of expense?
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