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The only slight concern is the lack of bulk in the diet. I'm not constipated but the output is so small. Gone are the large "floaters" of my past
As a rule,jobbies with natural bouyancy are a sign of a healthy system.

Keep an eye out for dense,ones with a clay like consistancy that sink,and very pale ones of a similar clay like consistancy,and frothy ones are not good news either.

Feacal analysis is a science,you know,and we should all try to overcome our reserve in taking a peek at what we produce.Monitoring the changes in your pooh consistancy could save an awful lot of worry in the long term,as it can be the very first indicator that all is not well with yer gizzards.
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Old 08-March-2004, 10:39
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I have been told by a doctor that floaters indicate too much fat in the faeces and are therefore not good.
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Old 08-March-2004, 10:50
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Please to read that PC agrees with me - floaters indicate good fibre intake and that's healthy.

Could malum's doctor be wrong?

Authorative answers (and no crap please) from dedicated Googlers
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Old 08-March-2004, 10:55
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He could well be wrong, maybe all his sank and he needed justification
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Old 08-March-2004, 11:06
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my ones sink like they are made of lead. i am not eating very healthily rite now.
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Old 08-March-2004, 15:07
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sometimes i get floaters that are impossible to flush down
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Old 08-March-2004, 16:37
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I was getting nowhere fast researching an answer to your question on Google,W/L.Had you been a hedgehog,dolphin or horse,I might have been able to help.
I was deathly-afraid of ending up on a kinky porn site,too.

However,I happened across this:

http://www.vegsoc.org/health/research/poo.html

Sounds like fun,and it's for the benefit of Mankind.Hotfoot it down to your local P.O. with those turds,now.
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Old 08-March-2004, 16:45
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sometimes i get floaters that are impossible to flush down
Needs direct action m8. They don't like it if you throw a bucket of water at them. They disintiigrate and after the next flush you have a loo that will please mother in law!
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Old 08-March-2004, 16:57
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Thanks PC for your devotion to the cause of science.

May have mentioned it some time ago I decided , with the full cooperation and interest of the owner and employees, to monitor what parasistes and infections, if any, were present in the intestines of the staff of an new large foreign food restaurant.

On the day I popped in to pick up the specimens I thought they seemed rather heavy and a check revealed they had been filled with urine.

The written instructions with each specimen tube mentioned "stool" and "faeces" but that was not in the vocabulary of these oriental gentlemen.

Had to explain in simple four letter words that the did not want "XISS" but we wanted "XHIT"

Great guys- they fell about with laughter when they realised the mistake.

The following day my assistant was able to collect the right specimens!!
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Old 08-March-2004, 22:53
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Hi Worldlife,

Congrats on your weight loss so far

And before you get too worried about the lack of fibre and 'bulk', consider these:

"On fibre and colon cancer: 'Until individual constituents of fibre have been shown to have, at the very least, a non-detrimental effect in prospective human trials, we urge that restraint should be shown in adding fibre supplements to foods, and that unsubstantiated health claims be restricted.'"
-- Drs. H. S. Wasan and R. A. Goodlad of the Imperial Cancer Research Fund

And:
http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/bran_and_cancer.html

And:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,823,00.html

As someone once said, on high-carb it goes "plonk, plonk", on low-carb it goes "pling, pling".

I know which I rather...
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This weeks loss is 3lb weight now stands at 13st 9lb and includes

eating a large bar of chocolate, and packet of Caburys eclaires

going to shed another 14lb then I am about right weight for

height (5ft 11in) Will be eating normally for a couple of week now

then back on induction to shed the last stone

I dont give a *hit if they float, sink or do bloody cartwheels

around the bathroom I have finished with them thankyou very

much

HI to you Fabienne,and mi old m8 silv,hope you are looking after

Tebs

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Old 08-March-2004, 23:11
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he is ,,it's so good to see you about Mr. Rigger
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Old 08-March-2004, 23:32
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Thanks B for those links - the articles were very re-assuring.

Hope to copy your progress too Rigger - congratulations again.

Let's not forget it was Pisces that started the idea of a Scream slimming club quite some time ago and this chat about Atkins seems to be revolving that way too.
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Not doing as well as Rigger.... only 2lb lost this week.

....but the inches seem to have shown a more dramatic decrease

Still on target though

Have to look at the book what to do - seem to have lost appetite completely and could easily go into starvation gear - don't think that is good for Atkin's
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Mayhap a little more muscle on you W/L

muscle weighs 30% more than fat (water/fluid content)

check the new you in a full length mirrow as well as with the scales

Good luck

have you made any soup yet..... bung the allowed veg in a pan and reduce to requirement very very filling

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Old 15-March-2004, 10:35
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At the moment I'm going through a phase of forcing myself to eat.

The first week was smashing trying out several recipes in the "Dr Atkins - New Diet Cookbook" (1 from our local Lions bookstall!)

The best I reckon was ...

Oriental Prawns

30g butter
25 g onion, chopped
3 slices of boiled ham, cut into strips
1 clove garlic, finely chopped
50g bean sprouts
quarter head cabbage, shredded
450 g raw prawns, shelled and deveined
4 servings of fish stock
paprika

The recipe says this is for two servings - 225 gms of prawns is way to much for me and I thought what massive appetites these Americans writers have.

However that was an error because the total grams of carbs at the bottom of thepage is given as 21.6 and the grams per serving as 5.4 which confirms this is a recipe for four servings not two!!!

Modifications to ingredients

Used chicken stock instead of fish stock and added a dash of Thai Fish Sauce
Used nutmeg instead of paprika
Added pepper and salt

Hate those American cup measures - please call it 4 fl ozs or 120ml

The Atkins recipe suggested baking for thirty minutes

Thought this might make an excellent stir fry instead.....

Followed a Chinese Recipe for Prawns with Vegetables - it had the same amount of prawns but a few Atkins banned ingredients such as cornflower and sugar that I left out.

I used Olive Oil instead butter for wacking all the vegetables in a hot wok for about two minutes and then adding the prawns and stir frying for another two minutes.

Added the liquid and brought to the boil and simmered for one minute.

Take care to cook the prawns (potential food poisoning risk) but not to overdo them as they will shrivel up and become tough.

The recipe chills well and is even better cold than hot.


You've inspired me for the vegetable soup "Brocolli and Stilton" but I'll have to check the carbs. Bet is is potato based



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Tis a wee bit boring at times

that is why I have a couple of weeks off it

then go back on induction for a couple of weeks dont make too many rules and deadlines for yourself

You have discovered a diet that you will lose weight on without feeling hungry

Good luck

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Come on now W/L

Lets have you on them scales and give us all an update

As for myself back on induction from Monday
current weight 193lb put on 2lb in last fornight,quite pleased at that been eating chocolate(love it)and sweeties
and dined out 3 times

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Old 21-March-2004, 12:29
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errmmm chocolates are not in my Induction version of the Atkins diet - perhaps you are on the advanced course

Amazing you have taken a week to gain 2lb and I have taken a week to lose 2lb.

The scales don't seem to reflect the lost inches though - Mrs W/L played with my ribs last night - she'll soon be able to make music on them

Must say I've lost cravings for most of the "banned" foods. I'm a bit scared to move outside the diet framework as I fear that one bit of bread will get me hooked again on easy carbs.

Felt a real weirdo on Wednesday. Had to take the car in for a service and last time I was in Worthing saw an Atkins diet restaurant and thought I would treat myself to lunch. Alas they place seemed to have dropped the menu and so I popped into Marks and Spencer. No low carb packed lunch stuff or drinks - except for Spring Water.

Ended up buying a pack of water cress and a pack of sliced turkey. Sat on a bench next to someone having fish and chips and watched the passers by with their burgers whilst grazing on watercresss!!!!

Brought back memories of Squidgy at the supermarket checkout when he was in his low carb frame of mind.

My lass mentioned that folks are going into McDonalds now and ordering a burger without a bun. Wonder if they do caffeine free coffee or low carb drinks.

Good luck Rigger - my mindset at the moment is that them carbs are like a drug and whilst I'm happy to carry on with the Induction I wouldn't like to start again and have the carb withdrawal symptoms. Is it less painful the second time?

Reckon I might stay on Induction and hopefully get near my target weight in about eight weeks (if the rate of loss doesn't change)
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HI W/L Thanks for the update

The 2lb weight increase was over two weeks and I was not on any diet during that time

I have been using Atkins on and off for 3 years now,I tend to use it as a crash diet,when I notice the belly coming back again.
I am not into re structuring my whole life around eating habits.It can become an obsession if you are not careful.

coming on and off carbs does become easy the more times you do it,Of the foods I miss while on Atkins a slice of toast in the morning is the one that hurts,But I do not give up my black coffee
(about 5 pints a day spread over 16 hours) for nobody.

Your 2lb a week loss is at the rate the "experts" deem normal and healthy and sustainable over a long length of time.Unlike mine that they say will kill me.But what the hell it works for me.
I am fortunate in running my own business,with 5/6 hours of manual labour a day plus 2/3 hours spent on office chores I tend to burn up calories at a good rate.

Liked the bit about Grazing on the bench

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But I do not give up my black coffee
Watch out rigger, apparently caffiene is the main culprit for leeching calcium from our bodies.

Particularly bad for peeps over 50
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The new Necafe Decaff tastes just like the caffeine variety..not the usual mucky brown decaff taste.
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Old 21-March-2004, 17:37
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I'm on the Douwe Egberts Decaff and it's fine with cream.

Can't let Mrs W/L make it as she will insist on using boiling water!!!!!

Rigger my rules say you have to drink eight eight ounce glasses of water a day - that's in addition to other drinks such as your five pints of coffee (to be decaff in the future?)

Seem to have a thirst for the right amount of water now but I'm leaking like a collander

You won't have much time for work between drinking the pints of coffee, the pints of water and then visiiting the loo.

In addition to dee's point should mention there is a bit in the "bible"

Why is caffeine unacceptable on the Atkins Nutritional Approach?

Excess caffeine can drop blood sugar levels and leave you craving sweets. If you're addicted to caffeine you must minimize caffeine consumption. The best way to do this is to segue from the high-octane stuff to decaf by gradually adding decaf to your full-force brew until you are drinking straight decac, which you can enjoy with cream.
Reckon you must have worked really hard to lose weight on Atkins but carrying on with the coffee drinking. You could be fighting a losing battle though and the stop start campaign and desire for choccys could well be tied in with the coffee addiction.
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Hi All

I do not get cravings for calories
I do not feel hungry while on Atkins
I do drink water up to and over the Atkins recomendations,I have always made sure of fluid intake all my life,stops you getting headaches and flushess toxins from the body(coffee )

I do not spend all my time in the toilet ,I work hard and quite a lot of fluid escapes as persperation,even on a cold day

I am not diabetic,in fact I have an annual checkup around January every year and I passed this year with flying colours

I tend not to believe the "Experts" too much,most of them have a vested interest in their research,usually funding.and years ago an Expert told mi great,great,great,grandad that the Titanic was unsinkable, some others swore the Earth was Flat,another lot after much research Knew the sun went around the Earth.


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Hi

glad to see your weight lost ,well done .

Since I got to goal weight 6 month ago ,I have not gone back to my old eating habits. i have had the odd chippy tea but I just don't enjoy them these days .

They say if you do something 20 times it becomes a habit so I seem to have got the habit of not eating food full of fat .


I did weightwatchers ,started last Jan 03 and lost 63lbs over 9 months. Lost about anoth 5lbs as well .


Men do really well on WW and I woner if you diet is the same . Do men lose weight faster than women on it ?

Keep it up

Daz

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Old 22-March-2004, 00:37
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Congratulations daz on your fantastic weight loss.

Hope the experts will correct any errors but the Atkins low carbohydrate diet is quite a contrast to your Weight Watchers one.

On Atkins you are strictly limited to how much carb you can have a day (20 gms) and the purpose of that is to get your body into ketosis . This is a state where your body is using its own stored fat as a fuel.

The other principle that your body sugar chemistry is stabilised and you don't have the lows that promote snack eating or periods of lack of energy.

There is no limit on the amount of protein you can eat and you are encouraged also to eat fats.

It's really a strange "diet" - for example today I had roast duck breast for the main meal with fresh runner beans. The beans had lashings of butter on them and Mrs W/L donated the skin of her duck. She had a baked potatoe to compensate but spuds are on my banned list. I've had various cheeses and of course cream in coffee.

Was pleased to find out though that the excessive thirst I am experiencing is a normal part of the diet and helps fulfill the target of drinking a litre and a half a day.
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There has been issues raise re kidney problems on atkins plan , as i have 3 kidneys I have a hight risk of having kidney problems in later life .

One reason i did not fancy it but if your happy and it works then good.


What I like about ww is that i can have what i want to eat as long as it's pointed .

I started on 22point a day and maintaning now on about 25-26 points a day . Every so often i get a sugar craving and i can take this into account on maintence .

every other diet I tried as soon as i stopped i put weight back on so ww has worked for me because I don't think of it as a diet !


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Old 22-March-2004, 09:32
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Daz you obviously have in mind the warning in the Atkin's book

People with severe kidney disease should not do any phase of Atkins, unless approved by their physician. Also, the first three phases of Atkins are not appropriate for pregnant women or breastfeeding mothers. They may safely follow the Lifetime Maintenance phase but should not do Induction or any of the other weight loss phases of Atkins
In "Facts and Fallacies" Atkins deals with the kidney issue

Fallacy #6 You eat too much protein when doing Atkins, which is bad for the kidneys

Fact: Too many people believe this untruth simply because it has been repeated so often that even intelligent health professionals assume it must have been reported somewhere.

But the fact is that it has never been reported anywhere. I have yet to see someone produce a study for me to review, or even cite a specific case in which a protein-containing diet causes any form of kidney disease.

The only remotely related phenomenon is the fact that when someone is already suffering from far-advanced kidney disease, it is difficult for that person's body to handle protein. But protein has nothing to do with the cause of the kidney problem
There you are keen Googlers - time to prove Atkins wrong
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I tend not to believe the "Experts" too much,most of them have a vested interest in their research,usually funding.and years ago an Expert told mi great,great,great,grandad that the Titanic was unsinkable, some others swore the Earth was Flat,another lot after much research Knew the sun went around the Earth.
It seems you believe in Atkins

Seriously though the does and don'ts are designed so that the plan works efficiently for most people.

We are all different and even Atkins admits some people have bodies that can manipulate the diet to defeat immediate weight losses.

Obviously the reverse could apply and some people, like you, are able to cope with the caffeine issue and still lose weight and not have a craving for carbs.
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