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25-September-2010, 16:42
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Re: How Can I make a company like world-premium-telecom
You need to know the owners of the numbers as far to the top of the pyramid as possible. A good start would be to get contacts within the "Old Boys" of Telemedia biz.
http://telemedianetwork.ning.com/ Here you find all the players that hold the strings of the IPRN puppets. But beware of any misbehaviour, because I can be very nasty  (Those international numbers work because of 'secret' contracts of the big telcos with some of the big players like Mike Charlesworth, Craig Gardiner, Peter Knobel or Andrew Wilson or Carl Gunnell, to mention just a few names)
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26-September-2010, 10:05
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Re: How Can I make a company like world-premium-telecom
thanks for your help  What do THEY mean by "Old Boys". There was an "Old Boys Group" within the Telemedia Network. But it was closed as far as we can see. The members have been people engaged in PRS and IPRN from the beginning. It was an exciting group, they even had an "initiation ceremony" when they told stories about their problems with the regulator or about the thousands of charges against them. Very funny. Some of the members that may be interesting: Alex Ruff (attag/Mediavision, Germany) Daniel Ruiz (Atlas) Anthony Rees (Naqada, Telecom One) Tom Horsey (formerly MSB/IBC) Richard Dean (formerly MSB/IBC) Piero Bertini (www.phonegroup.ch) David Knell and Marina Gianelli (formerly Telecom One/Coulomb) Anders Holst (formerly Telecom One) Bjorn Skarlen (Commercegate) Adam Lewis (we loved that ugly diallers from Tortola) Omar Abdul-Hameed and M-o-rten Due (nice diallers from Andorra) Gottfried Schrempf and Ludwig Braum (Keyzone, Cyprus) Nigel Harris Neil Penny Keith A Goodyer Tanja Rahman (Worldcall International, or: Miss Goodthinxx) Bryan Loewenthal (Trodat) Kerry Gill (Mediatel) Andreas Kalchbrenner (Ex-Goodthinxx) Andreas Bischoff (E-Group) Gerard Spiegelhalter (E-Group) Craig Gardiner This may be a first list of "wanted" person (tongue-in-cheek )oh, by the way, if anyone wants to be added here, send me a note this thread is irony
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26-September-2010, 23:30
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Re: How Can I make a company like world-premium-telecom
http://whocallsme.com/Phone-Calls.aspx/438
http://www.rtr.at/index.php?S=082089...bmit_TK=Suchen (0)820 892900 bis (0)820 893799 IP Communications GmbH Der/Die Diensteanbieter hinter der Rufnummer "0820 893319" im letzten halben Jahr lauten: von bis Diensteanbieter seit 25.09.2009 MediaTel Advertising LTD Astan House, Cornwall Avenue, N3 1LF London http://www.creditgate.com/search/sea...BT=Full%20Data http://whocallsme.com/Phone-Number.aspx/43820893319 more background en-lighting reading http://www.the-scream.co.uk/forums/s...d.php?p=226693 Last edited by El Gringo; 27-September-2010 at 15:30.
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27-September-2010, 16:17
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Re: How Can I make a company like world-premium-telecom
oh my god, I have forgotten HUGH CHAMBERS
Comment by Hugh Chambers on March 27, 2008 at 11:13am Hey Alan, I remember daily payments! Trusting folk Do you think Peter Knobel and Seth Warshavsky are likely to appear on this board? NOT
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08-November-2010, 18:04
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Gottfried Schrempf and Ludwig Braum (Keyzone, Cyprus) no, no, no, it's kwak telecom, keyzone is a different company. sorry@kwak
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22-June-2011, 08:02
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Re: How Can I make a company like world-premium-telecom
http://test1.statistic4u.com/en/ will u please tell me who is the owner of this site ,and how to contact them??
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22-June-2011, 18:01
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I don't want to get my hands dirty, so I just post it via copy&paste
Created On: Jul-12-10 10:22 They are not M'ediatel and I guess Mediatel does not know that they are using the Mediatel website for their promotion (or may blame not to know) one of the other sites mentioned is Mr Scalia http://www.coolwhois.com/d/realtimeivrstats.com take the information and use it, I am just posting it. For more information related with dialing patterns, troubleshooting, rate http://premiumratenos.blogspot.com/ ? # 202, 2nd floor Vardhman Shopping Complex Derawal Nagar Delhi-110007 ( India ) http://www.callcentersindia.com/show...jawith_details I can't say anything about those complaints and I was unable to identify Mr S.A., there are many men with that name. this is possibly the right one http://in.linkedin.com/pub/saurabh-ahuja/13/35b/b5a
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09-August-2011, 11:36
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Re: How Can I make a company like world-premium-telecom
You need to know the owners of the numbers as far to the top of the pyramid as possible. A good start would be to get contacts within the "Old Boys" of Telemedia biz. My name is akash. I am from india. I am facing a big problem by ATC Avant Telecom Consulting AG, resseller name khan agencies his traffic portal website is http://1236.statistic4u.com/, in starting on july he give me a portal for Algeria real 2 http://1213.statistic4u.com/ username=al213 and pass=12345 I start sending traffic from my 50 cli conctions as per as yours condition 5 live calls in at a time and its reach near about 155000. after it they chnage the password i am not able to see my traffic after one day i not access to the termiessions. now they not pay for me i try so many time to cocntact him they not resive my phone after that i meet him personaly they say company is not paying for this traffic, so he is not able to pay,I want to know that is the company is paying or not i try lots of time to contact the company by website but i not got a singale reply, please help me in this to found who keep my money company or resseler. my contacte.mail id is akash . sunny @ ymail . com yes they have ressler in india name khan agencies http://1236.statistic4u.com . i meet him personaly they say the copmany is not paying. after sarching on net and talk to lots of people i come to know that this statistic4u.com is realeted to avant. Last edited by akash.sunny@ymail.com; 09-August-2011 at 18:32. Reason: Split email addy apart.
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09-August-2011, 18:08
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You did meet someone? In India?
after that i meet him personaly they say company is not paying for this traffic Did he say that Avant was his company? Or did he say Avant did not pay HIM? Have you ever tried to get in touch with Avant? The company was run by people from Germany. I know the guy (and don't like his companies). I can't reach him for a comment but I will ask some friends with better contacts. There is something strange about all those complaints. I doubt that those people have been "allowed" to represent that company.
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09-August-2011, 18:28
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they have resseller in india, khan agencies, i meet them personaly and they say the company not paying after so many serching on net and talk to so many pepoles i come to konw that they realeted to avant.
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02-March-2012, 12:56
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Hi,
We have been in the audiotext business for quite a while and we are working with most of the big guys in the business. I must say, not all traffic is fraud or arbi. 100% of the calls to our services are based on tv advertising on satellite and it is really annoying when we see phones going dead because someone is screwing it up with dialers or other non-advertised user-generated traffic. This is killing the whole business for those of us who use the numbers to actually provided a service. Hamlet, I have a request to make to you- would you mind helping me locating some people in the business? It seems that you have a great deal of insight info in the area which we can help us serve our customers. You did meet someone? In India?
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03-March-2012, 11:19
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You have disabled private messages... Well, it depends... Which questions do you have? And you would have to accept that I would love to know more about you - but I wouldn't give you more information about me
who is isofkov? Make an educated guess... Premiumskytel??? ///for my eyes only /// sunpayment /// w.ue. //// icom ewt 2002 /// avant /// ???
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03-March-2012, 13:03
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Re: How Can I make a company like world-premium-telecom
Hi Hamlet,
I don't work for premium sky tel although we do get numbers from them and I know some of the people there. We are not a supplier of number, we are a customer. We provide audiotext services, mainly for the Middle East through international numbers and all calls come thanks to advertising on satellite TV, mainly on Hotbird satellite. I myself am annoyed when we end up losing a termination due to others using it for scams or gray-area dealings. I have PM enabled, maybe we should move there?
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04-March-2012, 10:37
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Re: How Can I make a company like world-premium-telecom
all calls come thanks to advertising on satellite TV, mainly on Hotbird satellite. See as an example the advertising of Thai Numbers on Gen-C http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnoMXMenNqg Unfair is unfair is unfair - no matter what "legal framework" is there or not to sanction it. And... if I had time enough I would be fighting on the front line to ensure global consumer protection.
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04-March-2012, 11:58
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By the way: I consider any advertising of such numbers without completely fulfilling the obligations of clear prizing as formulated in the Phonepayplus Code as "fraudulent" - regardless whether such rules do exist in the country or not. I agree that pricing info must be put anytime when possible, not only when required. However, it is impossible to gather such info especially when advertising such numbers. We looked for some pricing info for one particular country but all we managed to find was an old rate list for one mobile operator and that was all. I dont think we are cheating any consumers, they are very well aware of the costs involved as they are returning customers for years and they are extrmely active in helping us find a working solution when someone messes up the previous one. By the way, PhonePayPlus does not require pricing info when calls and services are advertised, generated and served outside the UK and are non-accessible for any UK consumers. I have checked with them on that
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04-March-2012, 15:08
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By the way, PhonePayPlus does not require pricing info when calls and services are advertised, generated and served outside the UK and are non-accessible for any UK consumers. I have checked with them on that Hi,I agree that pricing info must be put anytime when possible, not only when required.
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04-March-2012, 15:40
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That was a misunderstanding. I have mentioned the PPP "Code of practice" as an example for efforts to keep services FAIR for consumers. It is not legally binding for your services, but to me it is "defining" a "dividing line" between fair services and unfair services. So it should be seen as an "universal" Code even in countries where no code exists at all. However, it is in the exact opposite of what is in the interest of the consumers who use our service for meeting people (not sex lines but actual 1-2-1 ad placement) in countries where this is extremely hard to do if our services did not exist. So, we either follow a code which is ethical but non-existen and almost impossible to follow leading to no service or we offer a very desired service which does not comply with this code. I personally believe that consumers in the countries where there are no domestic premium rate numbers know very well the costs, they have been calling such numbers for decades. The numbers are shown in the manner that very clearly shows that they are international, always with 00 and the country code so no one is made to believe they are calling a domestic number. I doubt anyone offering this can do better
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04-March-2012, 16:44
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However, it is in the exact opposite of what is in the interest of the consumers who use our service (...) As long as the provider of IPRN have no real interest in stopping fraud, as long as they even support the fraud by concealing the responsibility, as long these providers for me are an important part of the fraud. The providers of legitimate services are therefore in the line of fire without fault of their own. But the industry had decades to solve the problem. Nothing happened. Or at least not enough. In 2011 German companies have been hit by hacked telephony systems which dialled international numbers. In most of the cases it was not even able to find out the owners of the numbers, not to think of getting the profiteers. So there never is a criminal investigation. This is absurd, considering that most of the damage caused does not make the scammers rich, but all the middlemen. It would have been fair to install a different system, a system that allows legitimate services while simplifying the tracking of criminals. That would have been the duty of the provider. And because they did/do not, they should be treated as accomplices. From that point of view it would be an acceptable collateral damage if such services as yours would not be able. Then it would be the responsibility of the IPRN industry to make legitimate services possible.
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04-March-2012, 17:04
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Re: How Can I make a company like world-premium-telecom
Your arguments may be true for some services. But there are still enough fraudulent service provider that are not covered by your arguments.
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07-April-2012, 15:16
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Re: How Can I make a company like world-premium-telecom
if it is possible to know the carrier by tracing their own premium numbers?
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17-April-2012, 15:52
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Re: How Can I make a company like world-premium-telecom
Hello Mr.Hamlet ,
Can you help me look for these sites please cause I want to know who owns it http://58.68.47.100/statis/ and http://124.219.65.188:20080/user009/ i got that from a friend of mine and he won't tell me any details about those sites . Thanks! Last edited by david77; 17-April-2012 at 22:42.
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18-April-2012, 19:49
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Not easy to say. The IPs are in Taiwan and in India (google shows strange results: http://www.google.de/#q=58.68.47.100 )
"statis" could be "static" in Indonesia.
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19-April-2012, 00:13
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put the IP address into something like http://www.geektools.com/whois.php - will tell you the technical rep for the IP / IP range
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19-April-2012, 16:22
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Hello Mr.Hamlet ,
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19-April-2012, 16:48
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Hello ,
Thanks for the feedback messages one thing i would like to know from what premium companies have these sites http://58.68.47.100/statis/ and http://124.219.65.188:20080/user009/.thanks!
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