The Scientific Miracles

[saraja]

I am astonished to know that Quran (the last and final revelation of God) contains unbelievable scientific facts discovered just in this century.

This is really amazing.

· Astronomy!
· Mountains!
· Human Embryology!
· Oceans And Seas!
· The Movement Of Clouds!
· The Cerebrum!
· The Shape Of The Earth!
· The Expansion Of The Universe!
· The Sensory Characteristic Of The Skin!
· Formation Of Iron!
· The Lowest Part On The Face Of The Earth!
· The Sequence Of Day And Night!
· The Snow Age!
· New Diseases!
· Cnn Top Ten Discoveries Of 1998

You can find more info on the following sites:

http://www.islam-guide.com/frm-ch1-1.htm
http://www.science4islam.com/
http://islamicity.com/science/

[Appuleius]

Saraja
I'm gob smacked!!

[squidgy]

Doesn't really surprise me. I think it wouldn't be a problem at all - but science academe pitches itself against religion.

Research institutions try to get funding for research which often isn't of any use to anyone. But they like to pretend that they know all the answers - I suppose that's how they make their money. Not unlike religion. And they get people into science by staging their own kind of magic shows - "oh look, magnetic levitation. Isn't that clever? Some might call that a miracle" - insinuating, of course, that the resurrection of Christ wasn't actually a miracle at all, still less the turning of bread and wine into body and blood of christ.

Who says what is, and isn't, a miracle anyway? Why are we so impressed by miracles? So you can do something clever that I can't do. Does that give you any moral authority? Maybe people thought like that in the past. Both science and religion like to claim credit for their own miracles - but when someone who doesn't belong to these establishments seems to be able to perform miracles they don't understand, they dismiss it as "wizardry" or "witchcraft". Religion calls it "blasphemy", and science calls it "unscientific". As though it actually matters. In this way, science and religion are no different from each other.

I like to think that we're beyond that kind of thinking now. But then, maybe the idea that TV is a miracle is what put Rupert Murdoch where he is.

Maybe I only take a swipe at science, religion and mass media in one go because I'm resentful. I studied physics at uni, but got bored with it, so dropped out before the end. However, I stuck it out long enough to disqualify me from state-paid tuition fees for a second degree course. Oops!

[Worldlife]

Welcome to The Scream saraj.

What an inspiring first post - may there be many more

[bouncingjohn]

My word! And all discovered in the last 3 years you say?

Course, it could just be the old Fundamental Christian/Nostradamus believer's trick of taking a phrase and interpreting it to mean what you want it to.

[squidgy]

Point taken, but ... how do you know how you would want to interpret it, though?

[Ian]

· Cnn Top Ten Discoveries Of 1998

Eh ? The quran contains CNNs top ten discoveries of 1998 ?

[billytee]

Squidgy,I thought I was cynical but boy, you leave me standing.
p.s. Isn't Saraj having a laugh?. billytee.
p.p.s. Welcome Saraj!

Hi,

Does this mean J K Rowling isn't really a blonde then ?.

STS

[squidgy]

Squidgy,I thought I was cynical but boy, you leave me standing.

Let's have a cynicsm competition! (separate thread for it though, maybe later. )
ps - welcome saraja. Any chance of more posts?

[saraja]

BARRIER BETWEEN THE OCEANS
DARKNESS IN THE DEEP SEAS
WAVES ABOVE WAVES
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BARRIER BETWEEN THE OCEANS
Modern Science has discovered that in the places where two different seas meet, there is a barrier between them. This barrier divides the two seas so that each sea has its own temperature, salinity and density.” (1)

we see the divider between the
Mediterranean and the Atlantic ocean._in the base of the rock of Gibraltar. We can observe a colored partition between the two bodies of water, although the naked human eye cannot perceive it in nature. This has become possible by means of satellite photography and remote-sensing techniques. These are partitions that can only be seen and perceived by scientific research and modern technology.God has informed us in the Qur’aan that:
He has let free_ the two seas meeting together: Between them is a barrier which they do not transgress. (Qur’aan 55:19-20).
Traditionally, there have been two major interpretations of this verse. The Qur’aan goes on to state that there is barrier between them, means that this_ barrier will simply prevent the seas from encroaching upon each other or flooding over each other.

Proponents of the second opinion ask how can there be a barrier between the seas so that they do not encroach upon each other, while the verse indicates that the seas meet together? They concluded that the seas do not meet and sought another meaning for the term "maraja". But now modern science provides us with enough information to settle this issue. The seas do meet together( the Mediterranean and Atlantic Ocean). Even though there is a slanted water barrier between them, we now know that through this barrier the water from each sea passes to the other. But when we the water from one sea enters the other sea, it looses its distinctive characteristics and becomes homogenized with the other water. In a way, this barrier serves as a transitional_ homogenizing area for the two waters. This is an excellent example of Islamic modern scientific research. Modern techniques can thus be used to prove the inimitability of the_ Qur’aan.

Modern Science has discovered that in estuaries, where fresh (sweet)_ and salt water meet, the situation is somewhat different from what is found in places where two seas meet. It has been discovered that what distinguishes fresh water from salt water in_ estuaries is a ”pycnocline zone with a marked density.
(2) discontinuity seperating the two layers.” This partition (zone of seperation)_ has a different salinity from the_ fresh water and from the salt water (3)
“He is the one who has let free the two bodies of flowing water, one_ palatable and sweet, and the other salty and bitter. And He has made_ between them a barrier and a FORBIDDING PARTITION.” QURAN (25:53)


DARKNESS IN A DEEP SEA


_“ Or is like the darkness in a deep sea. It is covered by waves, above which are waves, above which are clouds. Darkness, one above another. If a man_ stretches out his hand, he cannot_ see_ it...” QURAN (24:40)
_The darkness in deep seas and oceans is found around a depth of 200 metres and below. At this depth, there is almost no light._ Below_ a dept of 1000 metres there is no light at all. (4)

WAVES ABOVE WAVES
“ Or is like the darkness in a deep sea. It is covered by waves, above which are waves, above which are clouds. Darkness, one above another. If a man_ stretches out his hand, he cannot_ see_ it...” QURAN (24:40)
_Scientists have only recently discovered that there are internal waves_ which “occur on density_ interfaces between layers of different densities. (5)

The internal waves cover the deep waters of_ seas and oceans because the deep waters have a higher density than the waters above them._ Internal waves act like surface waves. They can also break just like surface waves._ Internal waves cannot be seen by the human eye,_ but they can be detected by studying_ temperature or salinity changes at a given location. (6)
(1) Principles of Oceanography, Davis, Page:92-93
(2) Oceanography, Gross, Page:242
(3) Oceanography, Gross, Page:244
(4) Oceans, Elder and Pernetta, Page:92-93
(5) Oceanography, Gross, Page:205
(6) Oceanography, Gross, Page:205

[squidgy]

More info from http://www.beconvinced.com/science/QURANOCEANS.htm http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-e.htm http://www.islamtomorrow.net/quran_seas_rivers.htm and http://www.islamic-paths.org/Home/En...nce/Oceans.htm

[AJ113]

Originally posted by Worldlife
Welcome to The Scream saraj.

What an inspiring first post - may there be many more

This is a joke, right? Right?

AJ, come on would Vic lie

[AJ113]

Originally posted by Tony
AJ, come on would Vic lie

Hey, Tony, I would always think at least twice about calling anyone a liar, but I wouldn't give a second thought to telling Vic he's wrong. After all, the odds are with me, aren't they?

[Worldlife]

Surely it must be an inspiring post to stimulate such trolling.

Don't you think it was good of me to write something nice about the post of a new member without revealing I didn't necessarily agree with her views?

I'd rather a lurker write a post proving that crop circles are the work of Martians than the lurker lurk writing nothing at all. I certainly would not follow the links Martian crop circles though

No lies - just being economical with the truth

well lie may have been the wrong word AJ, how about 'exaggerate beyond recognition', or 'be economical with the truth'

either or sums it up i think

and certainly would not bet on a certainty

[fabienne]

"scientific" and "miracles" do not go together.
enough said.

[squidgy]

I think I agree with WL on this one. The posts do seem to have a bit of brain food in them for us to discuss yet.

So what if the posts are not saraja's original material? So what if she's just lifting them from other sources?

It never stopped Alastair Campbell!